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Xion · Jan 17, 2006, 10:38 AM // 10:38

i STILL think the better solution would be to have a PVP ONLY slot, keeping our remaining 4 PVE slots, + 1 slot that can be made ONLY for PVP

kvndoom · Jan 17, 2006, 10:43 AM // 10:43

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Originally Posted by Thom

Here is the problem. Say 3 casual gamers play a few times a week. If they have 6 slots, what prevents them from each taking a PvP spot and a PvE spot and playing at different times. I am sure some families already have an arrangement like this-- my little brothers shared an account for a few months until they bought another. Right now there is the possiblity of playing the game through with each of the classes (as primary and secondary) and keep those characters while having a 4th PvE slot. Nothing is lost if you delete a slot and start over if you so wish. This is enough for one person to "completely" play the game and makes account sharing less reasonable.

The only ones hurt in the current setup are farmers who spend incredible amounts of time on a free game. It really isn't that difficult to dump a load of stuff on a storage account. If you are putting hundreds of hours into farming get another account and give A-net the full $50. I see no reason why farmers should get discounted storage space.

Hmmm, the thing is with one account, it's only 1 person on at a time. Buy another GW account and then the player AND his brother can be on simultaneously, doubling bandwidth. Way I see it, $50 for 4 characters and 16 storage spaces if you buy the game, so charge $12.50 to add another character and 4 storage spaces to the same account, max of 8 toons / 32 storage. You're also forgetting the inconvenience for people who don't have access to 2 computers. How are you gonna trade between accounts if you only have 1 PC? Trust somebody else with your password? Storage is common for all characters in the same account. Buy 4 more characters, have 8 toons on one account, you've still paid $50 for 4 characters and 16 storage spots.

Kaguya · Jan 17, 2006, 10:51 AM // 10:51

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Originally Posted by Xion

i STILL think the better solution would be to have a PVP ONLY slot, keeping our remaining 4 PVE slots, + 1 slot that can be made ONLY for PVP

How does this fix PvE people wanting to play all the primary professions without deleting previous hard-worked chars?

Linsys · Jan 17, 2006, 04:27 PM // 16:27

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Originally Posted by Kaguya

What does this actually have to do with the topic, BUYING that extra char slot? Yes, that extra char slot would require more database space. But so does the EXTRA ACCOUNTS people are buying NOW. That eats even more database space.

A.Net's hardware and database size system IS NOT the issue here. You can buy kazillion accounts, and ANet just has to accomodate them.

Only change that is proposed in this thread, is an option to buy more slots to your existing account which makes the lives of 'real' players easier instead of spreading your stuff across multiple accounts.

Not really directed at you, Linsys, just wanted to point out discussing ANet's hardware is pretty pointless as well, when the thread starts from buying those extra slots, not giving them free for every player.

Actually if you would have taken the time to read the entire thread and the context of my reply it would have made perfect sence...

If people PURCHASE storage slots and PURCHASE characters then they have the money to purchase hardware, software, and pay employees... someone was stating that "All they need to do is go buy $100,000 worth of new hard drives" and gives us storage and character slots for free.. I was stating it isn't as eazy as that.. which is why I 100% agree with the fact that we should be able to PURCHASE new character slots and more storage space.

Loviatar · Jan 17, 2006, 04:44 PM // 16:44

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Originally Posted by Linsys

which is why I 100% agree with the fact that we should be able to PURCHASE new character slots and more storage space.

i make 2 postulations (guesses or also known as WAGS)

they are not adding slots to existing accounts except for new chapter mergers for the stated reasons of technical difficulties.

and/or they are preventing people from getting extra slots which will have continuous upkeep for them and allow people to simply avoid buying a second copy to have one of everything plus 5 packmules on the cheap.

also having 10 slots merged would be a big advantage for a hardcore player as they would have everything needed for one unlocked mega account.

Deathqueen · Jan 17, 2006, 06:05 PM // 18:05

[Only thing that changes is that people who would like to make PvE/PvP chars without having to repeatedly unlocking skills/items]

And this takes time and effort, no EASY road here by having 8 character slots on one account vs 4 x 4 on 2 different accounts which you have to do it ALLL over again which is fine when you "buy another account". But, it still slows hording down because of the time effort required. You still have to make transfers and if you play more characters you still gotta work them up. No crossover skill sets, have to go back and get all those elites, it's a lot of work and only the most diehard or dedicated would do it. So, the way the system is now works best for the majority in that hording will still be kept to a minimum even from those that have multiple accounts.

Darkpower Alchemist · Jan 17, 2006, 06:09 PM // 18:09

Ok,I have read EVERY post in this thread. I would first point out that I have 3 accounts for the very reason that Kaguya has stated. I love my Pve characters and refuse to start erasing them. That's just counterproductive in my opinion.Unlocking the skills is a moot issue however,since each character has to learn their skills in order to use them.Only PvP characters benefit from already unlocked skills.Pve characters have to grow into their roles.

Storage has been an issue since I began playing this game. What to keep? What not to keep? What to sell now? What to sell later? This is more than a bit bothersome. More storage is definitely needed,but it shouldn't be unlimited or limited by your bank account. It should be somthing within the parameters already in existence. Like the storage bags that characters carry around. The storage case need not be bigger,but made to hold the bags that we purchase ingame from merchants.20 times 5=100 slots.These bags would be non expandable buy the runes.Nor would they be able to be carried within existing bags on the players once an item is inside them. 100 slots is a bit much,so to limit hording,I say make only the first row in the storage{Xunlai Storage} able to hold these bags. 25 extra storage slots is fine for me.Max would be the 1st and 2nd row of the existing storage,giving 50 extra slots(abit much imo).

Guild hall storage and merchants has been confirmed in the latest issue of Computer Gaming World,so that is already a go. I would think that guild hall storage should be the equivalent of the original storage box we all know and whine about being too small(if my plan were to be inacted).That would give a minmum of 45 new slots of storage between the guild hall and the Xunlai Agents. Is this sufficient space for all?

It would be nice to be able to surf between all my characters on 1 account.I think merging existing accounts registerd under one name is logical.Yet,if the 2nd account is under another name,you need a 2nd computer IMO.All my accounts are used only by me,registered to me,but the logins and passwords are different.My PvE characters can play PvP,no need to make PvP Only characters. Also,the limiting of arenas to being accessable when you hit Lion's Arch should prevent lvl 8s with Drok armor from tanking my defenseless Ranger/Monk( flashbacking...plz excuse). Also,if the accounts were joined,I believe a limit would be needed for my existing storage in a way like when you have finished missions,where a storage box holds your leftover items. this box would be similar,giving you the option to keep or discard whatever you dont want,or to salvage or sell them. No need for 3 storage boxes unless on each account you are a part of a different guild. This just goes to show you that options lead to more questions and more decisions.So, in conclusion,more characters,

,more storage with checks and balances involved,

,more complaining,

Deathqueen · Jan 17, 2006, 06:22 PM // 18:22

So many still keep forgeting these 2 and 3 accounts are rare and extreme circumstances that YOU the player are willing to deal with to get extra storage and extra characters. YOU are paying the extra for the excess, but, the majority are dealing with 1 account and 4 characters. Opening up the vault to hold bags once again just increases the data base storage Anet has to deal with.

It's all fine and easy to want want want, but, none of you has a clue as to the expense of 1,000,000 customers by just adding another avenue of more data base storage and extreme amounts of characters slots and not all of the consumers participating. Everyone doesn't want to have to spend more money for more slots or more characters. Until it is something the WHOLE community will support it just won't happen. Data base storage is one of the most extreme services they have to offer and it costs money.

Now, just give up on shouting for more slots and more this and more that, you're going to get what they give you and nothing MORE. hehe Gaile already said there will definitely be ONE more slot in the expansion added. Be happy with that and if you get more be surprised. (smile)

Kaguya · Jan 17, 2006, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by Deathqueen

So many still keep forgeting these 2 and 3 accounts are rare and extreme circumstances that YOU the player are willing to deal with to get extra storage and extra characters. YOU are paying the extra for the excess, but, the majority are dealing with 1 account and 4 characters.

Where do you base this? Many people on the forums in various threads have mentioned they have mule accounts, multiple people have stated they have 2nd/3rd or even 4th accounts to hold all the PvE chars they want to keep.

Sure, I can't say 'most of people have extra accounts' either, but saying 'most people don't have extra accounts' is based on as much on numbers pulled out from a hat blindfolded as what I'm saying. ANet would know for sure.

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Originally Posted by Deathqueen

It's all fine and easy to want want want, but, none of you has a clue as to the expense of 1,000,000 customers by just adding another avenue of more data base storage and extreme amounts of characters slots and not all of the consumers participating. Everyone doesn't want to have to spend more money for more slots or more characters. Until it is something the WHOLE community will support it just won't happen. Data base storage is one of the most extreme services they have to offer and it costs money.

You won't get the WHOLE community behind ANYTHING AT ALL. There will ALWAYS be people who are against change X and Y. 100% unity on improvements isn't just going to happen, ever. And what it comes to 'expense of million customers adding another char slot', they are BUYING THE SLOT. If they sell a char slot for 10$ each, that's 10 million $ for ANet, I'm sure that gets a sparkling new database server and maintenance for it for the next decade. We aren't demaning more slots for free, people are actually willing to pay for this.

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Originally Posted by Deathqueen

Now, just give up on shouting for more slots and more this and more that, you're going to get what they give you and nothing MORE. hehe Gaile already said there will definitely be ONE more slot in the expansion added. Be happy with that and if you get more be surprised. (smile)

Gaile is public relations for ANet sure, but we can still SUGGEST a change, how on earth would ANet even improve anything at all if no-one would ever suggest anything? And this is the suggestions-forum after all...

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Originally Posted by Linsys

Actually if you would have taken the time to read the entire thread and the context of my reply it would have made perfect sence...

I did read the entire thread. I've been reading it all the time, hence my commenting all the time. I prolly should have quoted the person stating the 'just buy a new HD from the shop', I work as systems admin myself and I know what it is to keep constant backups of stuff and what it requires, although the company I work in has it in a lot smaller scale than ANet would have. Think I also stated on that post that it wasn't really directed at you either but more in general

Think I should have risked admins putting on 'this thread has already been posted'-notice by making my own thread without all the things I don't personally agree on with OP [buying storage slots, I don't need those. I want PvE more PvE chars, and possibly buying enough slots for PvP chars so I can do the faction farming for one account only]

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

also having 10 slots merged would be a big advantage for a hardcore player as they would have everything needed for one unlocked mega account.

What's wrong with that? That's actually what I'm trying to archieve, have all stuff unlocked on one account, with all primary professions in it.

I realize it would take time, or maybe even impossible by doing only PvE.

Question is, what kind of advantage they would get? There ALREADY is hardcore players with these 'mega accounts', search up a few posts where people complain about being on maximum faction limit because they have already unlocked everything

edit: Can't make this long post without typos and saying things that don't make sense. Fixed some of that

edit2: I couldn't edit my post because there was too many smileys. *GASP*

Ashleigh McMahon · Jan 17, 2006, 08:26 PM // 20:26

I agree with most of this, except the fact of buying advantages. I don't want guildwars to become one of them games where you can buy yourself better, with real cash. I guess I can't agree with this one, I can't be picky here, it's either sign or no sign, and i'm sorry, I don't agree with the buy yourself more idea. The general more storage, ect for ALL players is a great idea. Maybe it would be better if you buy chapter 2, you get 3x more storage though, this would make the game more even.

/NOT Signed

Regards,
Ash.

onilink · Jan 17, 2006, 08:31 PM // 20:31

I have suggested adding the ability to buy new slots a couple of times before, so I definitely think that that is a good idea. However, I think that they would want to charge a bit more than the OP's suggested price, enough so that it would cost more than simply buying another account. On the other hand, I dont think people should be given the ability to hoard limitless amounts of money and items, so I do not support the idea of more storage space. It is true that with new characters comes a larger money-carrying capacity, but perhaps they could put a limit on how much gold a single account can hold, no matter the number of character slots on it.

/signed

Deathqueen · Jan 17, 2006, 08:50 PM // 20:50

Yeah those are reasonable ideas onilink, EQ charages $75 per character when you transfer one. $75 per character slot would probably hush the masses. heh Keeping hording down to a minimum is good and your idea of an account limit on plat is a good idea but with flaws, people would just horde ectos and shards and whatever else is high enough priced to horde to drive prices up even higher as expansion 2 comes out. If you think prices are high now, just wait till the new items come into the scene. I've played too many mmorpgs not to know what is fixing to happen. Old stuff will become cheap and the new stuff will be more expensive than the old stuff because the old stuff was starting to come into a steady supply and demand. But, when you have a higher demand that supply as will be the case with the new expansion items, it starts all over again and prices will soar for the new stuff.

Jaythen Tyradel · Jan 17, 2006, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by Deathqueen

[The amount of account space for characters has yet to be determined, btw, so lets be patient before making demands.]

Do you really believe everything Gaile or an Anet representative says? lol I don't. I'd bet nickels to dollars it's set in stone right now, they just aren't telling us because if people KNEW there was only going to be 1 slot or 2 they wouldn't preorder or buy the game.

Simply asking..do you have of that fact either?

I dont. I dont think you do either.

I simply was trying to state w point that we all want more account spaces, but saying they will only offer one or two is faulty. Same with demanding that more spaces should be given or "I wont buy chapter 2"*pouts* response that I am seeing.
Yeah, I bet they have set in thier minds what they will do, but all we can do is specualte and wait, or we can maturely petition ANET for more spots...which many are doing.

ivanthemessed · Jan 17, 2006, 11:47 PM // 23:47

/signed i can only have 3 pve what about the ele and mes and monk =( o well i guess i jack my bro's acc! =) (jk about the stealing)

Ristaron · Jan 18, 2006, 05:08 AM // 05:08

This post will earn me some flames, so I say now I am prepared to accept them all

Just don't PM them to me:

This problem with storage and space overall seems to me to be mainly based on two factors:
-ANet probably expected to have the next Chapter out much sooner than they will probably wind up getting it on the shelves -- I mean they probably meant it to be out just as more than the uber-l33t-hard-core-gam3rs started losing interest.
-ANet clearly designed the game to be a PvE-first, PvP-later. They probably expected we wouldn't become so attached to characters we can remake as PvP characters in many different ways and at the same time make room for new PvE characters who would unlock more skills.

They tried to fix the problem by adding faction in PvP, which was quite a smart move. People like me who don't want to lose their PvE characters can rack in faction with the good PvP characters and then unlock skills for new builds. Before this, the only way to get skills from a different profession was to CHANGE your profession in the desert, then do quests/buy skills from vendors.

What I'm trying to say is we responded too well and moved through the game too fast, ANet didn't predict such a response and ultimately weren't prepared.

Not that they're about to hop to our desires when we make them... Guild Wars brings in less profit than all the other games ANet/NCSoft provides because they don't charge monthly for us to play it. As a result, they won't care as much if a lot of us quit as they would if a lot of players of their other games quit.

My pessimistic rant for the night... I lost my train of thought about ten times in the process of writing this so if my paragraphs don't flow don't think poorly of me.

twicky_kid · Jan 18, 2006, 07:55 AM // 07:55

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Originally Posted by Deathqueen

Just because you have 2 accounts doesn't mean the majority are going to have 2 accounts for storage. Just because you play a certain way doesn't mean everyone wants to. This because I pay I deserve is just a waste of time. Anet must figure what the "majority" want and will do and will buy, not a handful of I want this I want that I want I want I want. They will maintain a balance to the economy as much as possible. Keeping hording down is one way. Keeping character slots minimum is another. Saves them date base money as so many keep bypassing or forgetting. Everything costs MONEY and a handful of people won't pay the bills.

What in the hell does that have to do with slowing hoarding? You can't stop hoarding no matter what you do. We keep the current system you have to buy multiple accounts. So, now I have 8 slots if I buy another account. Under the new proposed system you simply buy more slots for 1 account. I buy 4 extra slots.....look now I have 8. What's the difference if I do it under 1 account or 2? The end is still the same. Also doesn't save them any space since I'm still reserving character slots on their server either 1 account or mulitple.

($10 per character slot * 4) + $10 for storage = $50

Gee....that figure kind of looks familar.....oh ya that's exactly the amount I paid for the game. Anet would not be losing any money from this. Btw, server storage is dirt cheap these days.

This has nothing to do with the "majority" factor because its an option. If you don't want to buy extra slots under 1 account THEN DON'T. If you do want to then make that our choice.

Ristaron, everything with game release dates were set a year before chapter 2 came out. They said when C1 released that C2 would be in 1 year and a new chapter every 6 months after that. I bet they have chapter 3 already finished and working on chapter 4. Game development takes years for most games. Gw took 5 years to develop. Anet doesn't mind if you quit it will cost them less bandwidth. If you are tired of the game but enjoyed it then you will most likely come back to for the following chapters. I think most players would agree they got their $50 out of GW a LONG LONG time ago.

sakura75 · Feb 15, 2006, 04:40 AM // 04:40

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Originally Posted by PMBjornerud

4 characters and a 16-slot cross-character storage? Skimpy stuff.

ArenaNet, I know you want my cash. And believe it or not, I am more than willing to give it to you. I bought the CE for the sole purpose of blowing more cash on this game, in the hopes that some of it found its way to you.

However, there is one small thing I would like in return. More space. Those 4 character slots and that chest of storage... well, it just isn't a lot of space, is it? And no, I won't just buy another account. that would just be another 4 useless char slots with no skills on them and no way to transfer goods from one char to another.

Can't you give me some more ways to pay you some more cash? Did you hear that??? ArenaNet, you have a customer asking for ways TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON YOU. Wow! Just mention that idea for your CEO and I'm sure he'll be whipping all the dev crew to get this stuff implemented within a week! And you'll get a bonus, you lucky guy that picked up this post and told him about it!

After all, GW is a great game, and it's also dirt cheap. Too cheap. I got an overflowing MMO budget here, and I don't know what to do with it. Help me out, will ya? All the other games are boring grinds, and instead of paying $15 a month, you should give me a good reason to pay you some more cash instead.

Just off the top of my head:
Additional characters: $10 per slot.
Additional storage space: $10 per 4 slots.
A fancy-schmancy interface to punch my CC number in: priceless.

It's nothing that will make me more powerful, nor give me any advantage in the game whatsoever. I'll just have to worry less, never vendor any items I might use, and I can finally give you some more money.

Great Game, now just let me blow some more cash and not worry about running out of storange or not being able to make that other PvP char without deleting a PvE thing in the middle of a campaign.

Thanks

(Of course, if I am horribly mistaken, and I can buy another account and merge everything into a 8-char, 40-item storage heaven, tell me about it, I'll type my cc card number into the first text box I find!)

I don't care how many new slots there will be. I'd prefer the option to merge accounts together to a larger one. This means merging two Guild Wars account to one (i.e. 8 slots) or 2 Factions accounts (4 slots) or one Guild Wars and one Factions account (6 slots). If this could be done repeatedly we'd have endless slots! In this way ANet could sell more accounts and we could merge our valuable characters from other accounts.

phreakilla · Feb 15, 2006, 02:08 PM // 14:08

/signed

phreakilla · Feb 15, 2006, 02:09 PM // 14:09

so good i had to sign twice

/signed

Kaldor Meshekal · Feb 15, 2006, 04:21 PM // 16:21

Lovely idea. One I think I suggested myself about 8 months ago. More character slots, more storage, more money for Anet to keep this game running healthy and long (and themselves, too).

I know they're adding more character slots to Chapter II (Though at last check they are being a bit too vague on the amount...1 from the collectors, and definitely more than 4...), but they could still implement this. I for one am going to buy the Collectors Edition of Factions, whatever they do. I want one slot for each profession because I'm an RPG maniac. I like PvP, but I want to run about Tyria and beyond as well.

And more space? Well, more character slots would solve that problem. I don't think Storage needs an increase. Would be nice, and I'd probably pay for it if offered 'cause I'm a sucker for this game.